Questions 1-10

 

 

1.

It is an established fact that all things are recognised by their name, even Allah (swt) first taught names to the father of Mankind Adam (as). Your sect also has names such as Sunni, Ahl' ul Sunnah or Ahl'ul Sunnah wa al Jamaah. Direct us towards any such verse of the Qur'an wherein any of these names have been indicated.

 

 

 

Proof of the importance of the Sunnah from the Qur'an itself:

  1. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah...” [4:80] Allah described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him): “O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger...” [4:59]

  2. Allah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “...And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [24:63]

  3. Allah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty; resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: ”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them)with full submission.” [4:65]

  4. Allah commands His slaves to respond to Him and His Messenger: “O you who believe! Answer Allah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life...” [8:24]

  5. Allah also commands His slaves to refer all disputes to him: “... (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger...” [4:59]

  6. Allah also calls all people who accept Allah but refute the Messenger as 'Real Kafirs': “Verily, those who deny Allâh and His Messengers and (those who) wish to separate Allah from His Messengers (by believing in Allâh and disbelieving in His Messengers), saying: "We believe in some but reject others": and (those who) wish to adopt a way in between. They are in truth (equally) Unbelievers; and We have prepared for Unbelievers a humiliating Punishment. To those who believe in Allah and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of the Messengers, We shall soon give their(due) rewards: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful.” [4:150-153]

     

 

 

If you want to follow Quran only , and not hadith , than you will find that Quran tells us to follow the sunnah of the Prophet, there is no mentioning of following the ahlel bayt or the 12 imams in Quran at all, but what Quran mentions is following the sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him). So now how would the shia like to respond if we ask them to prove from Quran that it is the Quran and ahlelbayt that we have to follow and not Quran and sunnah as we believe! In fact, if we have to see Quran only, than our belief is indeed the one which looks the better of the two. Thus a Muslim must be sunni or in other words,  ahle sunnah (i.e follower of the sunnah) and if a person is not sunni or ahle sunnah, he is not a Muslim according to Quran. So it is proven that it is the Quran which tells us to be sunni.

So being a sunni is what Quran requires every Muslim to be.

 

[030:031]  ... and be not ye among those who join gods with God,-

 

[030:032]  Those who split up their Religion, and become  Sects (shias) ...

 

 

Transliteration:

[030:031]  ... wala takoonoo mina almushrikeena

 

[030:032]  Mina allatheena farraqoo deenahum wakanoo shiyaAAan ....

 

Arabic (from right to left):

30:31... ولاتكونوا من المشركين

 

 

  ...‏30:32 من الذين فرقوا دينهم وكانوا شيعا 

 

 

 

It seems Quran wants us to be sunni and not shias. A big confusion for shias? But we will not mislead you like answering-ansar! Keep reading and you will know the truth.

 

 

 

Al-Kafi

H 202, Ch. 22, h 6

It is narrated through the same chain of narrators from ibn abu ‘Umayr from certain persons

of his people who has said the following.

"Abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said, ‘Whoever disagrees with the book of Allah and the

Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.) he has certainly become a unbeliever.’"

 

H 204, Ch. 22, h 8

"A man asked a question from Imam abu Ja‘far (a.s.) who replied to it and then the man said,

"The Fuqaha, scholars of law, do not say this."

The Imam then said, "It is a pity. Have you ever seen a Faqih, a scholar of law? The real

Faqih, scholar of law is one who maintains restraint from the worldly matters, who is deeply

interested in the life hereafter and holds firmly to the Sunnah, noble tradition of the holy

prophet (s.a.)"

 

H 203, Ch. 22, h 7

 Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Isa ibn ‘Ubayd from Yunus in a marfu’

manner from Ali ibn al-Husayn (a.s.) who has said the following.

"The best deed in the sight of Allah is the one that is performed according to the Sunnah, the

noble tradition of the holy Prophet (s.a.) even if it would be in small degree."

 

 

H 199, Ch. 22, h 3

A number of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from his father

from al-Nadr ibn Suwayd from Yahya al-Halab from Ayyub ibn al-Hurr who has said the

following.

"Abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) has said, ‘Everything must be referred to the holy Quran and the

Sunnah, the noble traditions of the holy Prophet (s.a.)"

 

 

Nahjul Balagha , Sermon 127

 

Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) said: Certainly you are the most evil of all persons and are those whom Satan has put on his lines and thrown out into his wayless land. With regard to me, two categories of people will be ruined, namely he who loves me too much and the love takes him away from rightfulness, and he who hates me too much and the hatred takes him away from rightfulness. The best man with regard to me is he who is on the middle course. So be with him and be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on al jama'ah ( الجماعة ). You should beware of division because the one isolated from the group is (a prey) to Satan just as the one isolated from the flock of sheep is (a prey) to the wolf.

http://www.al-islam.org/nahj/127.htm

 

 Someone may say why have I replaced the word "keeping unity" with (al-jama'ah), the thing is the actual arabic word here is (al-jama'ah) which has been translated by the shias as "keeping unity".

The actual sentence in Arabic here is

 

 الزموا السواد الأعظم، فإنّ يدالله مع الجماعة

be with the great majority (of Muslims) because Allah's hand (of protection) is on al jama'ah

 

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, only one sect will go to heaven, People asked, which sect? The Prophet said (three times)

الجماعة, الجماعة ,  الجماعة

 

 

 

Book : Khisal, Page 375 (Urdu Edition)

Author : Shaikh Sadooq 

 

So we understand from this , that ahle sunnah wal jama'ah  are the people who are on the right path.

 

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said "The Ummah will be divided into 73 sects , all of them will go to hell except one". He was asked "Which sect is that one". Prophet (peace be upon him) said "That is the one on which I and my companions (ashaab) are"

 

Book : Maani Al Akhbar, Page 370 (Urdu Edition)

Author : Shaikh Sadooq

 

As far as the word shia is concerned, first of all the hadith is unauthentic, after that, we know that the ahlelbayt hated the shias, e.g

 

 

Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

“O’ Kufa, if this is your condition that whirlwinds [of deciet] continue blowing through you, then Allah may destroy you…Your disobedience of your Imam in matters of right and their [the Syrian’s] obedience to their leader [Muawiyyah] in matters of wrong, their [the Syrian’s] fulfilment of the trust in favor of their master [Muawiyyah] and your betrayal, their good work in their cities and your mischief. Even if I give you charge of a wooden bowl I fear you would run away with its handle.”

Ali invokes Allah against his Shia:

“O my Allah, they are disgusted of me and I am disgusted of them. They are weary of me and I am weary of them. Change them for me with better ones”

http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/25.htm

 

Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) want to change his shias because of their bad behaviour. So how can you claim that Shias of Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) will be successful, when the ahlelbayt were fed up of them in their own lives?

 

So certainly, the right group is ahle sunnah wal jama'ah, i.e follow sunnah and remain with the jama'ah , the great majority, rather than living as ten percent which by no means can be the great majority and the jama'ah.

So the present shias should start thinking now.

 

 

 

2.

If these titles cannot be located in the Qur'an could you produce this title from any hadith of the holy prophet (s)? Produce any such 'mutawatir' 'marfuu' or 'saheeh' narration from your books with a complete source (meaning the name of the book, version number, page number, edition etc) wherein the names Sunni, Ahl'ul Sunnah and Ahlul Sunnah wa al Jamaah have been mentioned by the holy prophet (saww) as a sect of Islam.

 

 

As we proved from Quran, He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah...” [4:80] so sunni is indeed what Quran wants every Muslim to be, i.e the follower of the sunnah (the way) of the Prophet  (peace be upon him)

As far as ahadith are concerned, the majority of the shia and sunni ahadith state, Quran and sunnah, and not Quran and ahlel-bayt.

To mention a few:

 

H 187, Ch. 20, h 10

A number of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from ‘Isma’il ibn Mihran from Sayf ibn ‘Umayra from abu al-Maghra from Sama‘a from abu al-Hassan Musa (a.s.) who has said the following.

"I asked the Imam, ‘Is everything in the book of Allah and the Sunnah of His messenger or you have a say in it?’ The Imam replied, "As a matter of fact, everything is in the book of Allah and the Sunnah of His messenger (s.a.)’"

 

 

For example:

 

H 199, Ch. 22, h 3

A number of our people has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from his father from al-Nadr ibn Suwayd from Yahya al-Halab from Ayyub ibn al-Hurr who has said the following.

"Abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) has said, ‘Everything must be referred to the holy Quran and the Sunnah, the noble traditions of the holy Prophet (s.a.)"

 

 

H 202, Ch. 22, h 6

It is narrated through the same chain of narrators from ibn abu ‘Umayr from certain persons of his people who has said the following.

"Abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) who has said, ‘Whoever disagrees with the book of Allah and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.) he has certainly become a unbeliever.’"

 

 

H 181, Ch. 20, h 4

Ali has narrated from Muhammad ibn "isa from Yunus from Hammad from abu ‘Abdallah (a. s.) who has said the following.

"There is no case for which there is not a law in the book or the Sunnah, the noble tradition of the holy Prophet (s.a.)"

 

 

H 203, Ch. 22, h 7

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Isa ibn ‘Ubayd from Yunus in a marfu’ manner from Ali ibn al-Husayn (a.s.) who has said the following.

"The best deed in the sight of Allah is the one that is performed according to the Sunnah, the noble tradition of the holy Prophet (s.a.) even if it would be in small degree."

 

You can download Al Kafi from the shia website by clicking here

 

Apart from this , many many ahadith can be quoted from other shia hadith books, which says we should follow Quran and sunnah.

 

You can definitely see the importance of being a sunni, i.e the follower of sunnah and if you don't agree to follow the sunnah, this can make you unbeliever according to the shia ahadith.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3.

If these are not to be found in the hadeeth, then at least come up with an exact date, month and year of hijrah from the history of Islam when these names were adopted as your identity.

 

 

Doesn't need to be answered when the above questions have been answered.

 

 

4.

What were you famously known as before adopting these names?

 Muslims , just like now, till the shias separated and became ahlel bidah (followers of innovations). For the readers, the person who is asking these questions, his sect's real name is shia imamiya ithna ashariya or twelver shia which is one of the many of the sects of shias. The same sect also calls itself Jafri, and amongst its other names are Usooli.

A better understanding of this sect can be understood from the website of its rival shia sect, which is akhbari.

http://www.akhbari.org/English/index.htm

 

5.

Why have you forsaken your previous title?

 We have not forsaken our title, i.e Muslims, we are still known as Muslims unlike shias, apart from this , kindly let us know why you were forced to write not just one but so much more terms with your names, Shia Ithna Ashariya, Imamiya, Usooli, Jafriyah etc etc?

 

 

6.

According to your sect, an introduction of any new thing to Islam constitutes bid'a, therefore to effectuate such an introduction is also a bid'a, so who was the person responsible for introducing this bid'a?

The ancestors of Shias, the people of kufa, who started mourning on tenth of Muharram, after deceiving Imam Hussain (may Allah be pleased with him) 

 

 

7.

Could you provide decisive evidence with regards to the meanings of Sunni, Ahl Sunnah and Ahl'ul Sunnah wal Jamaah?

Followers of the Sunnah 

 

8.

Which one is the most ancient of the three titles?

 Which one amongst shia, shia imamiyah, shia imamiyah ithna ashariya , or twelver shia is the most ancient one?

 

9.

Which one of the three titles do you consider the best?

Which one amongst shia, shia imamiyah, shia imamiyah ithna ashariya ,  twelver shia, millat-e-jafriyah or shia imamiyah ithna ashariya usooli, or ithna ashariyah imamiyah jafriyah etc etc etc do you consider the best?

 

10.

Why are the remaining two of lesser merit? Which one of those two is the least and what is the reason behind it?

Congratulation for asking such rubbish questions which proves nothing and if you consider them of some value, the same goes for you, now tell us, which of the so many names of your sect, do you consider the best, and why the remaining are of lesser merit and which one is the least and the reasons behind it. Good luck.